A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
A warning to upgraders
Well said, Andre :)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Just trying to make it easier for all of us. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jane C" wrote in message
Well said, Andre :)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Good idea Dunc. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Dunc" wrote in message
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
LOL! you think that's a little more hassle - I installed Vista on a spare hard drive in my notebook. when I want to boot XP, I have to remove the Vista drive, and put in the XP one.
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Its usually too late by the time they post here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
Just trying to make it easier for all of us. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jane C" wrote in message Well said, Andre :)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Good idea Dunc. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Dunc" wrote in message May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Sorry for the double post.. when I went to submit - it came across that it was unable to submit... hmm - where can I go and submit a bug for the newsgroups? kl
"Kenny Louden" wrote:
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
I don't think microsoft was really prepared for the number and type of people that decided to get the beta, but that could be a blessing in disguise. many of them couldn't even download the file, and came here looking for help. what they saw here may have scared off the more timid ones.
"Kenny Louden" wrote:
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Good idea Dunc. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Dunc" wrote in message May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
True, but we can save the few who have not yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
Its usually too late by the time they post here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Just trying to make it easier for all of us. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jane C" wrote in message Well said, Andre :)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
MS gets lots of info on how to simplify things this way. But I think that exposing as many folks as possible to the OS should help sales later on.
"Kip" wrote in message
I don't think microsoft was really prepared for the number and type of people that decided to get the beta, but that could be a blessing in disguise. many of them couldn't even download the file, and came here looking for help. what they saw here may have scared off the more timid ones.
"Kenny Louden" wrote:
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Good idea Dunc. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Dunc" wrote in message May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
It isn't a bug with the MS news servers. It may be how your ISP handles newsgroups.
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message
Sorry for the double post.. when I went to submit - it came across that it was unable to submit... hmm - where can I go and submit a bug for the newsgroups? kl
"Kenny Louden" wrote:
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
One other major factor why not to upgrade with this release is that as of May 31, 2007 you won't have an OS anymore. According to the EULA (yeah, I kinda of skimmed it) this build becomes inactive. -- A8N-Sli Deluxe Athlon 64 3700+ @2805 Mhz 2 x Asus 6800 GT in Sli ( sometimes) 2 Gig Memory 1 20 Gig HD 1 500 Gig HD
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
At first, I seriously thought the knew what they were doing, but on second thought, I don't think most of them do. Thats why I put the scary emphasis on "DO NOT". -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Hrm why use your BIOS to select the boot drive?? When you dual boot XP and Vista you should get a menu on startup that will let you select which OS to boot. When you decide to get rid of Vista (or it expires) it's pretty easy to get rid of the boot manager.
"Dunc" wrote in message
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
Call it paranoia. Vista is still Beta and that means the Boot Manager and installer are still Beta. I would rather no beta software came anywhere near my production environment. So I turn my production Hard Drive off in the BIOS and there is no way that Vista can touch it. :) "Bones" wrote in message
Hrm why use your BIOS to select the boot drive?? When you dual boot XP and Vista you should get a menu on startup that will let you select which OS to boot. When you decide to get rid of Vista (or it expires) it's pretty easy to get rid of the boot manager.
"Dunc" wrote in message I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
Should pin my helpful tips to the top of the forum, Andre...
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
At first, I seriously thought the knew what they were doing, but on second thought, I don't think most of them do. Thats why I put the scary emphasis on "DO NOT".
I'll second that motion! ;)
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;)
"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote in message
Should pin my helpful tips to the top of the forum, Andre...
it is a bug with microsofts web based newsreader. it sometimes says that it was "unable to process your request", even though the post went through.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
It isn't a bug with the MS news servers. It may be how your ISP handles newsgroups.
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message Sorry for the double post.. when I went to submit - it came across that it was unable to submit... hmm - where can I go and submit a bug for the newsgroups? kl
"Kenny Louden" wrote:
Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Kenny- You are right about one thing, most people don't have a clue what they got themselves into, it's easy to forget that BETA is for testing purposes and not a final product, but for the majority of people it's the idea of a new OPSYS for free. The blame shouldn't go to microsoft anyways. They are doing their jobs, just as we are doing ours.
You guys have given some great solutions in these postings, hats off to you all. :) -- Gregory P. Getchell
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
At first, I seriously thought the knew what they were doing, but on second thought, I don't think most of them do. Thats why I put the scary emphasis on "DO NOT". -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Kenny- You are right about one thing, most people don't have a clue what they got themselves into, it's easy to forget that BETA is for testing purposes and not a final product, but for the majority of people it's the idea of a new OPSYS for free. The blame shouldn't go to microsoft anyways. They are doing their jobs, just as we are doing ours.
You guys have given some great solutions in these postings, hats off to you all. :) -- Gregory P. Getchell
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
At first, I seriously thought the knew what they were doing, but on second thought, I don't think most of them do. Thats why I put the scary emphasis on "DO NOT". -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Kenny- You are right about one thing, most people don't have a clue what they got themselves into, it's easy to forget that BETA is for testing purposes and not a final product, but for the majority of people it's the idea of a new OPSYS for free. The blame shouldn't go to microsoft anyways. They are doing their jobs, just as we are doing ours.
You guys have given some great solutions in these postings, hats off to you all. :) -- Gregory P. Getchell
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
At first, I seriously thought the knew what they were doing, but on second thought, I don't think most of them do. Thats why I put the scary emphasis on "DO NOT". -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Kenny- You are right about one thing, most people don't have a clue what they got themselves into, it's easy to forget that BETA is for testing purposes and not a final product, but for the majority of people it's the idea of a new OPSYS for free. The blame shouldn't go to microsoft anyways. They are doing their jobs, just as we are doing ours.
You guys have given some great solutions in these postings, hats off to you all. :) -- Gregory P. Getchell
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
At first, I seriously thought the knew what they were doing, but on second thought, I don't think most of them do. Thats why I put the scary emphasis on "DO NOT". -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Kenny- You are right about one thing, most people don't have a clue what they got themselves into, it's easy to forget that BETA is for testing purposes and not a final product, but for the majority of people it's the idea of a new OPSYS for free. The blame shouldn't go to microsoft anyways. They are doing their jobs, just as we are doing ours.
You guys have given some great solutions in these postings, hats off to you all. :) -- Gregory P. Getchell
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
At first, I seriously thought the knew what they were doing, but on second thought, I don't think most of them do. Thats why I put the scary emphasis on "DO NOT". -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Kenny Louden" wrote in message Dunc - You losted me on "I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone."
Would not a boot manager be able to determine which drive to boot from based on which OS you select? ( thinking about downloading Pro-Networks' VistaBoot and use this for a boot manager)
The reason that I am asking - I was thinking of adding a spare 80 GB HD for loading Vista while keeping my XP Pro untouched. I though this might be the easier route to go instead of partitioning a new logical drive on my main HD.
By the way - Andre, exactly suggestion.... I wonder how me people have indeed deed gone down the route of upgrading over their production XP install with Vista.. I shudder to think and how many of those same people are blaming Microsoft for the huge problem they have gotten themselves into because they failed to understand what they were getting into.. just my 2 cents
thanks Kenny
"Dunc" wrote:
May I also make a suggestion.
Many of us have probably got a spare Hard Drive laying about as most of us willing to test a Beta product also have an obsession with upgrading our PCs. :)
I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message A lot of persons in here are upgrading their one and only, production install of XP. If you are itching to do that, DON'T! DO NOT, upgrade your existing install of XP if you use it for work or you use it for daily use. Not because Vista is at BETA 2 means its ready for prime time or production environments, it is to get feedback on whats wrong with the product in such scenarios.
I also suspect some persons think Vista has been finalized, no its not, its still in development. I know Vista looks enticing and all, but it is still not ready for prime time and the numerous post with unsuccessful, problematic clean installs, upgrades are proof of that.
If you want to try upgrade scenario's at least make sure you do it on a spare installation of XP, you have back up image of your existing install or simply do a clean install. For those who have already upgraded their installations of XP and want to return to XP, your only option is to format that drive and reinstall it. There is no way to uninstall Vista.
Also, there are no upgrade paths from Windows XP Professional x64 to Vista x86 or x64. You cannot launch Vista x64 setup in Windows XP x86 or you will get a "invalid Win32" error. You have boot off the DVD. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
Good point..better safe than sorry I guess :)
"dunc" wrote in message
Call it paranoia. Vista is still Beta and that means the Boot Manager and installer are still Beta. I would rather no beta software came anywhere near my production environment. So I turn my production Hard Drive off in the BIOS and there is no way that Vista can touch it. :) "Bones" wrote in message Hrm why use your BIOS to select the boot drive?? When you dual boot XP and Vista you should get a menu on startup that will let you select which OS to boot. When you decide to get rid of Vista (or it expires) it's pretty easy to get rid of the boot manager.
"Dunc" wrote in message I have installed Vista on a spare Drive and use my bios to change the boot drive. So I now have one PC with dual boot where Vista hasn't touched my standard XP drive at all. Its a little more hassle changing which OS to boot into but it gives me peice of mind that my XP drive is left well alone.
I don't even dual-boot on my production machine. I bought a 64-bit machine for testing and keep everything Vista away from my work machine. I do use the work machine as a helper (downloads and dvd burning and such when needed).
"dunc" wrote in message
Call it paranoia. Vista is still Beta and that means the Boot Manager and installer are still Beta. I would rather no beta software came anywhere near my production environment. So I turn my production Hard Drive off in the BIOS and there is no way that Vista can touch it. :) "Bones" wrote in message Hrm why use your BIOS to select the boot drive?? When you dual boot XP and Vista you should get a menu on startup that will let you select which OS to boot. When you decide to get rid of Vista (or it expires) it's pretty easy to get rid of the boot manager.
"Dunc" wrote in message I have installed